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[Nomad]

This thread is a most disturbing one and an example of the rotten work of the "thought police".
This thread with it's support of Markaba also makes me proud of being a DU member.

Owl's "so vigilantly against a particular thoughtcrime are because the vigilante suffers from that thoughtcrime himself" and Ankon's "projection" are true in far too many cases and give these assholes a perverted outlet for their self disgust.
Very much a case of "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Sanctimonious fucks.

Best wishes Markaba.

[TC]

[LeftHook]

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[gonzo99]

Sorry to hear about the troubles Markaba.

Sadly self-righteous fuckwits like this do more to harm the cause of children than any number of 'MAAs' who do not become abusers.

It is no more nor less than paedophobia (not my term, but taken from a very insightful article from the Times over here in the UK recently - worth a read here

Paedophobia is one of the last expressions of ignorant fear based on rumour and lies that is still allowed, mainly because very few people in positions of power will stand up to it in case they are somehow 'tarnished'. Every discussion about the topic is based on 'experts' that trot out the same 'facts', and anyone questioning them, however ludicrous their claims, is considered to be somehow pro child abuse.

Particularly in the UK it has become the one 'offence' that is it almost impossible to recover from. Convicted murderers, drug dealers, wife beaters, etc. are welcomed back into high profile media or sport careers, but someone convicted of downloading child pornography such as Chris Langham (once of the Muppets) will probably never work again.

The only interesting exception to this seems to be Pete Townshend, who seems able to tour with the Who again without mention of his little 'issue'.

All I can say is to be strong, hold on to what you know to be the truth and only take notice of the views of those who know YOU.

.....and don't let the ignorant twisted bastards grind you down.

Gonzo

edit: de-bowdlerized rw

[thedoctor]

[Clancy]

Can't you get them for slander Todd? Surely if you know who they are, and they have been actively making false claims about you then that counts as slander?

I would sue their asses.

[andkon]

[Markaba 2.0]

I was called in today and terminated from my job. The reason cited was "standards and ethics violations in outside interests." (I knew corporations were greedy but I didn't realize they owned you outside your job.) The bottom line is, they see me as a fiscal liability.

I am glad to have had the privilege to work with such great folks. Everyone at the store, including my bosses, were awesome and I wouldn't change the experience for the world. As I said at GC, I think if they had the power to do so I'd still be working at the store. Unfortunately, these orders came down from corporate, and my manager had no choice in the matter.

Let this serve as a tangible example of precisely the sort of unfairness and hostility I am seeking to overturn with my activism. I don't know what I'm going to do now, but I do have some money saved up and that'll get me through for awhile. I don't have the resources to fight Lowe's legally.

As for Clancy's question, the problem is, how do I prove it WAS Perverted Justice behind it? I know it was because it fits their m.o., but I have no access to the information about who called, what was said, etc. They are careful to distance themselves from these kinds of activities.

Despite this setback, I won't let it dampen my enthusiasm or my battle for social acceptance of MAAs. I'm in it for life. Thanks again for all your support. It brought tears to my eyes to see so many of you stand in my corner, and that means more to me than a job any day. I wish I could shake all of your hands and buy each of you a drink. Maybe someday.

[Markaba 2.0]

Oh, and I never tire of putting this up:

[Martin]

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[Markaba 2.0]

[philbo]

[Spaz]

[Markaba 2.0]

[TC]

Hey Todd
WE have two spare rooms...................make your way to the UK and can stay rent and food free for a month.................
(that is assumping you like pasta, fish and salad..............oh and thai soups!)
PM me Todd
believing that reality will work
Love
TC

[Markaba 2.0]

[thedoctor]

Markaba, have you considered the possibility of a lawsuit?

[freedave]

He would have a very tenuous cause of action. Employment in absence of a contract is considered to be "at will" either party may terminate the relationship at any time. The exception to this is that the employer may not discriminate against various protected classes of people by for instance firing all the black employees or all the female or handicapped employees. I am unaware of MAAs being included in any such protected class. To get the law on his side Markaba would have to claim that his orientation is a disability.

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Some might argue that discrimination based on sex includes discrimination based on sexual orientation, though I'm not sure I'd agree.

[Markaba 2.0]

[thedoctor]

[freedave]

So if they arbitrarily fire some poor dumb white schmuck that's just too bad but you should get your job back because you proclaim your desire (if not intent) to fuck children? How fair is that? You have chosen to make your orientation public. You have made yourself into a detriment to any company that cares about the communities perception of it. They actually have good business reasons to let you go. Keeping you will hurt business, not because of anything you might actually do but because of community perceptions. You chose to come out and there is a cost for that. Should you or your (now former) employer pay that price? Isn't your quest a little less heroic if you expect someone else to pick up the tab?

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[thedoctor]

[andkon]